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The USA loses control of the internet Oct. 1 2016
Topic Started: Sep 3 2016, 02:16 AM (1,044 Views)
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As I'm sure some of you know, the Obama administration has relinquished the contract with the internet overseer company, ICANN, regarding control over the internet. In essence, the USA is losing the ownership of internet access, with the subsequent control being granted to the United Nations.

Now I've heard from both sides of the isle that this is either nothing new, or this is a serious issue. The serious issue being that if countries like Saudi Arabia have control over certain websites like, say Victoria Secret, they would not be able to access due to the content being incompatible with Saudi Arabia ideologies, or members on forums discussing Islam and/or religion based discussions could be blocked if the host server was located in a country that didn't permit such discussion of a respected ideology.

It has been said that since ICANN is a US based organization, we have the US constitution and the Bill of Rights granting us the freedom of speech to say we want and view what we want, within legal discourse of the law.

To prevent this from being labeled a conspiracy resulting in a closed thread, it has now been confirmed through numerous sources, some of them stated below, including fact check Snope. I would like to discuss the ramifications of such an action, and the future format of the World Wide Web when the changes are implemented.

Does anyone know anymore about this? Is this as serious as some folks are saying? My research seems more of an indicator toward nefarious consequences instead of nothing will change.



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The serious issue being that if countries like Saudi Arabia have control over certain websites like, say Victoria Secret, they would not be able to access due to the content being incompatible with Saudi Arabia ideologies, or members on forums discussing Islam and/or religion based discussions could be blocked if the host server was located in a country that didn't permit such discussion of a respected ideology.
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Sep 3 2016, 02:22 AM
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The serious issue being that if countries like Saudi Arabia have control over certain websites like, say Victoria Secret, they would not be able to access due to the content being incompatible with Saudi Arabia ideologies, or members on forums discussing Islam and/or religion based discussions could be blocked if the host server was located in a country that didn't permit such discussion of a respected ideology.
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Lol. See, I didn't really want to get into that stuff, but it is true in a way. I mean, now a days a simple Google search will get you whatever you want to look at... It appears that that type of freedom may be subject to change when the UN gains access. Or you may still be able to go on certain websites, but could be in trouble if the website is against the host server's country.


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Don't most countries have their own servers and whatnot though? I'm pretty sure it doesn't all come from or go to the US so why does the US not have control over it's own section of the internet?
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Sep 3 2016, 02:35 AM
Don't most countries have their own servers and whatnot though? I'm pretty sure it doesn't all come from or go to the US so why does the US not have control over it's own section of the internet?
ICANN is basically the phone book of the internet. So it matches Domain Name System (DNS) and the host IP address. So the IP address is the location of the computer. So the question is, when ICANN is gone, who is going to take over, and will they willingly allow users to go to any website they want? Or will they refuse to match the DNS and host address like ICANN did?


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>Not saving all your porn to external memory stick

C'mon, what were you gonna do when the entire internet collapsed and you only had a computer with no internet connection? Draw boobies in MS Paint?
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It will be based on local laws like now. By your worry, North Korea could theorectically remove everything except their own propaganda. Simply put, giving the UN control just makes it easier for censorship to occur in-country for nations that see it as a neccessity. You are cynical if you think the UN would allow a a nation like say.....Turkey to censor what America can see or access on Facebook.
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Sep 3 2016, 02:44 AM
It will be based on local laws like now. By your worry, North Korea could theorectically remove everything except their own propaganda. Simply put, giving the UN control just makes it easier for censorship to occur in-country for nations that see it as a neccessity. You are cynical if you think the UN would allow a a nation like say.....Turkey to censor what America can see or access on Facebook.
What local laws? There aren't any. You can go on any site you want to and it wouldn't be illegal. I could go on the deep web to a site that sells drugs and I still wouldn't be breaking the law, only if I decide to purchase some of the drugs then I would be breaking the law.

As for being cynical. . . It is the duty of the people to question the motives of their Government. That is how you stop corruption. And I wouldn't say asking questions of possible scenarios is being cynical..


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You are cynical if you think the UN would allow a a nation like say.....Turkey to censor what America can see or access on Facebook


Edit: Turkey is one of the founding members of the UN so your example doesn't work. I understand what you meant but can you see where there is flaws? Who watches the watchers?
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As for being cynical. . . It is the duty of the people to question the motives of their Government. That is how you stop corruption. And I wouldn't say asking questions of possible scenarios is being cynical..
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It will be based on local laws like now. By your worry, North Korea could theorectically remove everything except their own propaganda. Simply put, giving the UN control just makes it easier for censorship to occur in-country for nations that see it as a neccessity. You are cynical if you think the UN would allow a a nation like say.....Turkey to censor what America can see or access on Facebook.
What local laws? There aren't any. You can go on any site you want to and it wouldn't be illegal. I could go on the deep web to a site that sells drugs and I still wouldn't be breaking the law, only if I decide to purchase some of the drugs then I would be breaking the law.

As for being cynical. . . It is the duty of the people to question the motives of their Government. That is how you stop corruption. And I wouldn't say asking questions of possible scenarios is being cynical..


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You are cynical if you think the UN would allow a a nation like say.....Turkey to censor what America can see or access on Facebook


Edit: Turkey is one of the founding members of the UN so your example doesn't work. I understand what you meant but can you see where there is flaws? Who watches the watchers?
Paranoia for paranoia's sake is not useful ever. The internet is simply impossible to control like you say it will be.

The fact the deep web exists at all is proof of that right now. Nothing will change beyond an easier to explain net neutrality. If the internet is open to all, why should the controlling section be centered solely in the US?
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I'm going to legitimately start a war if some other country tells me what I can or can't view on the internet when I'm not in that country. Go f*** yourselves.
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ICANN has nothing to do with the United Nations. If you read the last link in the OP, you'll see that giving to control to ICANN was done so as not to hand over that power to the UN. ICANN has been doing this job for years anyway, what's being relinquished is in a sense the US veto power over things, such as the .xxx domain for porn sites. This does not have anything to do with regulating the content of websites or anything like that, that is already done through each countries national laws anyway. This about more foundational stuff, such as web addresses, domain names etc. Given how crucial the internet is to the entire world, I think having this function in the hands of a more impartial body is appropriate.
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Well the main issue is that ICANN is a privately owned company, whereas the UN is a system of Governments. It's not so much about preventing people from accessing certain sites but allowing the Government to have control of those sites. Compare that to school, I know you live in Canada but bear with me, we have a Government program called Common Core, which forces children to learn a certain way. The children are no longer able to learn in ways they want to, they are forced to be taught a certain way.

We have Obamacare, which forces people to pay a mandate or else they get fined. We have executive orders that impose gun regulation without congress approval. I'm not a conspiracy theorist who thinks the illuminati is coming to take over the world, but that doesn't mean Governments can't be corrupt; and this is the first step into tighter restrictions on basic human rights, not to mention the blocking of certain web sites

Moreover, I believe this transition also leaves peoples computers susceptible to hack. I think I read that somewhere but I'm not sure so I'll have to get back to you on that.

But yes, websites can be blocked like I stated before, but the transition between a private owned overseer to Government controlled overseer opens the door for a wide range of future restrictions


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Sep 3 2016, 03:48 AM
ICANN has nothing to do with the United Nations. If you read the last link in the OP, you'll see that giving to control to ICANN was done so as not to hand over that power to the UN. ICANN has been doing this job for years anyway, what's being relinquished is in a sense the US veto power over things, such as the .xxx domain for porn sites. This does not have anything to do with regulating the content of websites or anything like that, that is already done through each countries national laws anyway. This about more foundational stuff, such as web addresses, domain names etc. Given how crucial the internet is to the entire world, I think having this function in the hands of a more impartial body is appropriate.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. ICANN has been running things for 20 years, they are not affiliated with the UN; they are privately owned. Which is why the transfer to the UN is unorthodox and leads to questions of why


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I always argued Obamacare was a stepping stone to a healthcare system more attuned to what Canada has but that is a subject for a different thread if you really want to get into that little nugget.

Focusing on the topic at hand, Why should America say what doman names are used and how for other countries? It seems more reasonable to remove that override. If governments can be corrupt, why should I trust America's to be fair to my domain disgnations?
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